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moe.taco
10-21-2005, 06:13 PM
As part of my job training I was required to take a class on fasteners (aka nuts and bolts) put on by Bowman distr. The information I came away with was extremely fascinating and I thought I should share this info with you guys. I was blown away by how something so simple could be so complicated. I am also working on a torque spec spreadsheet for grade 5 & 8 bolts and nuts
Here are a few things(do's and don'ts):

-Never, ever use lock washers or Nylock nuts!!! The friction required to compress the washer, or thread the nylon will throw off the torque value by as much as 50%. Use 'all steel' lock nuts or loctite blue if you are worried something might come loose

-Be careful how you handle bolts. The oil on your fingers can lower the torque value substatially. The same thing holds true if you use anti-sieze on the bolt. Applying "dry" torque values to lubed bolts will cause failure.

- A nut is a one time use item. After its initial use the threads have stretched(less friction) to accomodate the bolt. Re-using a nut can reduce the clamping force by as much as 50% per use.

-If using gr.5 or gr. 8 bolts use only hardened washers. If the washers are not hardened it will throw off the torque value substantially.

-A washer is side specific. There is a smooth side and a sharp side. the smooth side should face the head of the bolt. If you put the sharp side against the head you can cut/crack the head of the bolt.

- Use only gr.5 or 8 hardware that is marked with the appropriate dash's and a manufacturer's symbol. This is a sign of quality. If the head of the bolt has nothing on it, the strength is unknown and is considered gr.1-2.

-A quality bolt used in the right appication will fail for 2 reasons. It was over torqued(overstressed) or under torqued(not stressed enough)

Ok thats enough typin for now. There is more, but I think I hit the high points. If you guys have any questions, ask. I should have that spreadsheet up this weekend.

Pete

Ted
10-21-2005, 08:39 PM
How much does anti-seize thrown off the torque value?

moe.taco
10-21-2005, 10:50 PM
Quite a bit. Here's the numbers for a 1/4" gr. 8 coarse thread bolt.
dry= 12 ft. lbs, lubed= 7 ft. lbs.
The difference gets bigger with a bigger bolt.
1/2" gr8 coarse thread: dry= 108 ft. lbs, lubed= 64 ft. lbs
The differences are even more noticable with fine threaded bolts.
I got that spread sheet done if you want me to email it to you.

Pete

kajo
10-22-2005, 12:12 AM
I have seen a chartthat gives specific torques for dry and wet(antiseize) nuts, I have also seen a torque chart for nylock nut bolts.

When I was a helicopter mechanic we always used 'steel' lock nuts and they were a one time use item unless they passed a specific minimum torque rating to spin them on a bolt. This rating had to be verified by a Technical Inspector so we just used new everytime we replaced a part.

Ted
10-22-2005, 03:15 AM
Quite a bit. Here's the numbers for a 1/4" gr. 8 coarse thread bolt.
dry= 12 ft. lbs, lubed= 7 ft. lbs.
The difference gets bigger with a bigger bolt.
1/2" gr8 coarse thread: dry= 108 ft. lbs, lubed= 64 ft. lbs
The differences are even more noticable with fine threaded bolts.
I got that spread sheet done if you want me to email it to you.

Pete

You should post that spread sheet. That means I have done it on a new bolts.

hecull
10-22-2005, 05:52 AM
That means I have done it on a new bolts.
Oh great Ted, that means my springs are probably going to fall off! J/K, I've checked them often, and they're holding.
Really good, and specific, info, thanks for the post!
Kyle