Wounded Warrior Project

[Ace_Laserna]

Hey guys,

Ted came up with a good idea last weekend and i wanted to get some input on it. It's called the Wounded Warrior Project. www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ (http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/)
We were tossing around the idea of helping these guys out. If we have enough people interested in giving up an open seat durning the EC4RJ we could host several veterans who have been injured in combat.

These guys have sacrified a lot for our country and I'm sure there are a lot of them that love to wheel but can't do it anymore. Post up your opinions guys. I think it would be great to have these guys along. We would need quite a few folks to volunteer to make it worthwhile though. We have done it on the Fishing forums and it worked out well. Took 25 vets out fishing last month.

It's up in the air, so lets see what we can make of it. Thanks for your time and input

-Ace

[Athena]

I am in for it. I went to another event last year where the sponcers did this and it was really great. The vets said they had a blast and I think most people had no trouble making space for them. I have room for one or two people. I normally take the dog but with the number of people you are talking about and if you need the space for ride alongs I will leave her with a friend. Let me know.

[jjrgr21]

fuckin A, i'm all about it,

and if your feeling generous: http://www.specialops.org/

[RedTrooper]

Great idea. But the EC4RJ may be a zoo, if you get the sort of turn out that you are looking for. Why not try this out at GWNF first where we can concentrate on just letting the Vets have a good time and not have to deal with hard core wheelers or entry fees? We could do some light wheeling up Flagpole Knob, end up back in the meadow and have a cookout.

I also think that some of the vets might would prefer to try their hand behind wheel on easy stuff rather than ride shotgun on the harder trails. We could find a nice muddy spot and let them play. I'd let some try in the Trooper. Afterall, they couldn't do worse than I did leaving the last fall colors run.

[Ace_Laserna]

Very good points. Keep 'em coming. So...does eveyone think a smaller scale run would be better? Give these guys full attention?
Let's hear it.

[KatzTRD]

Yeah I agree with Trooper on this one. 4RJ will end up being pretty crazy im sure, and having the vets there will just make it chaotic for the ones running the event.

[Eric_N]

Im all of it. I also think GW would be a better spot, im sure Ace can get some of his Fan Club out there so carry people around.

[Ted]

fuckin A, i'm all about it,

and if your feeling generous: http://www.specialops.org/


I really hope you are around for this event.

[jjrgr21]

me too

[Athena]

I think it really depends on how you want to swing it. If you want to do something that is completely for the vets and easy and layed back day and also invite some extreamly handycapped ones it is better to do GWNF. Then you can really do something special. Like a BBQ, music and a meet and greet. However I think there are some vets that might be disappointed with bouncing around. Maybe talked with some HR people at a vet home and seeing what kind of interest people have and what their level of disabblity is and then make plans around that. Either inviting to 4rj or making another trip to gwnf. We can always use new reason to offroad.

[jjrgr21]

i don't think it fucking matters, if these guys wanna drive my truck and i have to weld poles to the pedals or whatever they can wheel, even if they are marines.

GW would be the easiest to do, there are a couple places to get pinched up on the trail we did at fall colors.

[locknload]

I think it's a great idea. I also feel it would be better at the Jambo. If you brought 25 vets fishing, you're sure to have at least that many wheelin'. If we expect the turnout to be larger than ever, we'll have more vehicles for rides. We want these guys to see an organized event with 'real' obsticles if so chosen. I think they'd get a bigger kick out of RC more than GW, it's definatly more exciting. We could even set up a short course for our superbuilt rigs that people could spectate. That would really blow them away.

I think if we do this, let's go all the way by bringing them to a real event with real trails (easy and hard) and a big crowd. Lets show them something special.

Great idea. But the EC4RJ may be a zoo, if you get the sort of turn out that you are looking for. Why not try this out at GWNF first where we can concentrate on just letting the Vets have a good time and not have to deal with hard core wheelers or entry fees? We could do some light wheeling up Flagpole Knob, end up back in the meadow and have a cookout.


This is one of the reasons we have smaller turnouts for the Jambo. People think it's all hardcore like events on T.V. We need to get away from this stigma to get more beginner and intermediate people out there.

Yeah I agree with Trooper on this one. 4RJ will end up being pretty crazy im sure, and having the vets there will just make it chaotic for the ones running the event.

I don't see how. If it's well organized, it's what we make it ;).

[locknload]

fuckin A, i'm all about it,


i don't think it fucking matters, if these guys wanna drive my truck and i have to weld poles to the pedals or whatever they can wheel, even if they are marines.


Were you a Ranger or a Sailor? :flipoff:

[BeaterToyota]

Great idea. But the EC4RJ may be a zoo, if you get the sort of turn out that you are looking for. Why not try this out at GWNF first where we can concentrate on just letting the Vets have a good time and not have to deal with hard core wheelers or entry fees? We could do some light wheeling up Flagpole Knob, end up back in the meadow and have a cookout.
This is one of the reasons we have smaller turnouts for the Jambo. People think it's all hardcore like events on T.V. We need to get away from this stigma to get more beginner and intermediate people out there.


Yeah I agree with Trooper on this one. 4RJ will end up being pretty crazy im sure, and having the vets there will just make it chaotic for the ones running the event.
I don't see how. If it's well organized, it's what we make it



Word. I concur with the gentleman from WV.

[Ted]

Great idea. But the EC4RJ may be a zoo, if you get the sort of turn out that you are looking for. Why not try this out at GWNF first where we can concentrate on just letting the Vets have a good time and not have to deal with hard core wheelers or entry fees? We could do some light wheeling up Flagpole Knob, end up back in the meadow and have a cookout.

I also think that some of the vets might would prefer to try their hand behind wheel on easy stuff rather than ride shotgun on the harder trails. We could find a nice muddy spot and let them play. I'd let some try in the Trooper. Afterall, they couldn't do worse than I did leaving the last fall colors run.

I'd rather have it at the EC4J. This is going to be our premiere event of the year. This will give them the chance to experience all levels of wheeling. I'm pretty sure all the hardcore wheelers are willing and ready to pitch in with their efforts and rigs to make this happen.

The vets will not have to pay fees for this event. We will find a sponsor to pay their way. We are going try to rent cabins for the Vets, get a few provided meals. Any other meals they need will cooked by the Midatlantic Kitchen crew.

This sort of stuff is what wheeling is about.

[Ted]

Yeah I agree with Trooper on this one. 4RJ will end up being pretty crazy im sure, and having the vets there will just make it chaotic for the ones running the event.


We need two people working on event issues, and two people working on the Vet project. It should be no problem. It's all about organization.

[Ted]

Im all of it. I also think GW would be a better spot, im sure Ace can get some of his Fan Club out there so carry people around.

I think having it at the EC4J is important. It will give more people the opportunity to meet the ones who have sacrificed for our country.

[jjrgr21]

alright cocksucker, you know what the fuck i was, am, whatever.

but sailors are cute!!


toodles!!

[BlueX]

sounds like a good plan..I am in!!
if you need any help...just let me know

[RedTrooper]

I think it really depends on how you want to swing it. If you want to do something that is completely for the vets and easy and layed back day and also invite some extreamly handycapped ones it is better to do GWNF. Then you can really do something special. Like a BBQ, music and a meet and greet. However I think there are some vets that might be disappointed with bouncing around. Maybe talked with some HR people at a vet home and seeing what kind of interest people have and what their level of disabblity is and then make plans around that. Either inviting to 4rj or making another trip to gwnf. We can always use new reason to offroad.

The nice thing about GWNF is that there are some really easy trails. The run up to Flagpole Knob is just a fire road. If we can get some of the new rigs like the FJs, there won't be much bouncing. Moreover, some extremely disabled might be happy just getting out and hanging in the meadow. And, we can put the more adventurous in the older rigs and even let some drive. As I said, I volunteer the Trooper.

As for contacts, I work for DoL and know some people who try to get wounded vets readjusted. I can make some inquiries once we get further along.

[locknload]

alright cocksucker, you know what the fuck i was, am, whatever.

but sailors are cute!!

toodles!!


Potty mouth... I meant you cuss like a 'sailor' :D.

[jjrgr21]

"toodles honey"

[mtnyota]

I vote 4rj. Think its a great idea!! Lets do this!!

[RedTrooper]

I don't see why we can't do BOTH. I was just suggesting that we start small and try this out at GWNF first, so that we see what we are getting into.

If GWNF goes well, as it should, then we gain experience accomodating the vets. We may find that we may have to do things like setting up a shaded observation area where the severely disabled can just comfortably watch or an area where the vets can try their hand at driving some of volunteered rigs over obstacles. IMHO the best way to do this is to talk to the vets during a cookout after they have wheeled with us and see what we can do to make their experience better.

Also, if a GWNF trip goes well, my guess is that the vets will spead the word about us so we will get a better turnout for 4RJ than if we just started there.

Finally, A web page devoted to the GWNF event with lots of photos will help us with sponsorship for the vets at 4RJ.

[KatzTRD]

I don't see how. If it's well organized, it's what we make it ;).

Very True and I agree. It's just I have not been to many big events that were. lol

Aside from well organized its also has to be well planned. And I think Terry and Eric are stepping down from planning/organizing so we will need some to step up for sure. Im going to try and hit RC a couple of times before 4RJ to get more famillar with the trails to help lead.

[Ace_Laserna]

OK, if we do this during EC4RJ I'm going to need 2 volunteers to head this thing up. I have my hands full with sponsors, reservations, deposits, project letters, etc.
The jambo WILL BE big and it WILL BE ORGANIZED.

[HOODLUM]

I really like this idea and I also agree that it should be at the Jambo. Since this is our biggest event, I think it will go over very well.

[jjrgr21]

these guys are not going to want that kind of attention, having every asshole and their brother coming up and showing their pity. keep it small for now.

[PrezidentRedz]

Sounds good to me as well. I need to get my Shit running right! anyone wanna help me fix an Oil leak>?

[RedTrooper]

Sounds good to me as well. I need to get my Shit running right! anyone wanna help me fix an Oil leak>?
I might have some time this weekend if it was combined with a side trip to the Londontowne Pub.

[shortyv6]

kick ass idea. all about it. might barrow the fzj 80 of 55buggy for a run like that.

[RedTrooper]

OK, if we do this during EC4RJ I'm going to need 2 volunteers to head this thing up. I have my hands full with sponsors, reservations, deposits, project letters, etc.
The jambo WILL BE big and it WILL BE ORGANIZED.
Alright guys, I volunteer, even though my normal policy is never to volunteer for anything.:eek:

I started the ball rolling by contacting the liaison between the US DoL and the Wounded Warrior Project. DoL has programs to help all vets, but especially the wounded warriors, reenter the workforce. At this point, I am just trying to make some contacts and collect some information.

We have months to decide on the specifics of an event, whether it is held at GWNF or the 4RJ or both. This is all that I am saying at this point:
My off road-club is very interested in the Project and would like to host one or more events for the vets. We were thinking of combining a trail ride through the woods (with some of the vets diving volunteered rigs and others just riding) and a cookout. Some of the guys are really excited and want to do this at a major East Coast 4x4 event. Others suggested that it might be better to start small just to see how it goes.

We really don’t know what sort of accommodations would be needed and we really don’t want to embarrass anyone. This is all about letting the vets have a good time. When you are driving through mud or over rocks, you really have nothing on your mind other than getting to the other side. It is great therapy!

In any case, we would like to talk to someone at the Project before this gets too far along.

[HOODLUM]

these guys are not going to want that kind of attention, having every asshole and their brother coming up and showing their pity. keep it small for now.


Pity? who in the hell is going to show pity for a group of guys that are tougher than any one of us.Not me that's for sure, I have nothing but respect and admiration for them. My Grandfather was(R.I.P.) a two time retired vet 82nd Airborne(WWII and Korea) and was one of our original off roaders. He would have loved to be at event like this to see all the different people and see what the real deal is. Just my thought.

I was typing while the above post was made by Red Trooper

And I def like the idea of having both.

[jjrgr21]

some people feel it's nessecary to "baby" wounded vets, i'm not saying any of us will.


i'm going to get in contact with a colnol i know at walter reed, and see what he says. there isn't much hope of getting a list of wounded vets, because it's an OP SEC violation. so i'll probably just go to walter reed.

if thats ok with you all.

[RedTrooper]

some people feel it's nessecary to "baby" wounded vets, i'm not saying any of us will.


i'm going to get in contact with a colnol i know at walter reed, and see what he says. there isn't much hope of getting a list of wounded vets, because it's an OP SEC violation. so i'll probably just go to walter reed.

if thats ok with you all.

Great! This gives us two different avenues to try.

Also, it looks like Ace found his other volunteer.

[Athena]

I already told you Ace that I wanted to help. Maybe we can find a time to talk on the phone and see where you are at with planning. Then talk with the other guys and get suggestions to what they would like to do activity wise. Next, talk with trail leaders and organize base camp leaders. This way you can do promotional stuff, others can talk with vets and staff to make their accomidations, while others can make sure food, r and r, and sleeping arrangements are up to par. I am happy to do base camp...womans work anyhow. I can work with whomever is Speaking directly with the vets to make sure we have everything they are going to need and speak with campsite about handcap access. I am very excited and am willing to go the extra mile to help. You know how to contact me or I will give you a ring at the first of the year.

[locknload]

It's going to be hard to determine how many vets we can invite until we have a solid open seat count, even then we need to compensate for people having to back out last minute. Just a thought. Any ideas?

Ace, maybe you should start an attendance list now and have 'open' or 'full' next to each username.

[RedTrooper]

I am meeting with the DoL Wounded Warrior liaison on Thurs. He is a wounded warrior (lost a leg in Iraq) himself. His reaction and that of his boss was disbelief that we are doing this. I expect that will we have no trouble getting riders!

As for rigs, I think that we will definitely need Ace's fan club over at the FJC site. But let's hold off on that until Jason and I get more info.

Perhaps this calls for a planning meeting after the holidays?

[shortyv6]

keep us informed. i will contact bay to blue ridge cruisers and most have 2 or 3 empty seats and a few are vets themselves. i'll let you know what they say bout the idea.

[Ace_Laserna]

WOW! :eek:

Thanks for getting started on all this!

I'll edit the original EC4RJ post once we get more definite information so people can let us know when they sign up if they want to take a vet.

Thanks again everyone. You have no clue how much y'all are helping me out here.

[RedTrooper]

I am thinking that it might be cool to have some "stations" along the ride where the vets can get out and try their hands behind the wheel. If we do this right we can have a couple of volunteer rigs at each station for the vets to try each obstacle. Maybe even some prizes for best rock crawl, best mud run, etc.

[s_cornett]

I'm game, be gald to help anyway I can. I won't get as wild as some of ya'll, but I do have a backseat that can take people for some trail rides..

[Ted]

some people feel it's nessecary to "baby" wounded vets, i'm not saying any of us will.



They going to be stacking rocks and pulling winch line. If one wants to ride in my POS, he/she better be ready for a bumpy ride.

[RedTrooper]

OK Here is the update:

There will be no need to worry about the health of the Wounded warriors (WW). They are all on active duty and will be medically cleared for any wounded warrior project activity! So if they want to stack rocks, we let them.

There are 3 levels of participation with the Wounded Warrior Project. Level one is just posting a sign-up sheet on a bulletin board (e.g., 6 tickets are available to a Wizards game) The WWs sign-up on a first come first served basis and the sponsor provides them transportation to the event. Level 3 is a full partnership where the project helps defer the costs of the activity. The DoL coordinator just got pack from a level three trip to a CO ski area where the vets were being taught to ski despite having missing limbs. I believe that "training" is a key component of Level 3. There is also level 2 which sounded like an agreement to hold events on a regular basis.

The suggestion was that we have a small level one event and invite 15-25 vets. We then make a presentation to the project (perhaps by inviting representatives to a meet and greet) to see if they will help us with the logistics of having the vets participate at the 4RJ. The logistics is something that none of us though about. How do we get the vets from Walter Reed and Bethesda to RC? If we get buy-in from the Project, the Project will bus them!

So we are left with trying to pull together a Level one event and this will involve getting some number of Vets from Walter Reed and/or Bethesda to the event. :eek:

HELP!!

[jjrgr21]

so a level 1 project would be something like a trail trip @ GWNF right?

the X-mas party is on the 15th so i'll talk to Col Finelli, and maybe Col smith then.

[RedTrooper]

so a level 1 project would be something like a trail trip @ GWNF right?

Exactly. We post up the signup sheet with a max number. The WWs sign up. We pick them up, transport them to the event, hold the event, and transport them back.

the X-mas party is on the 15th so i'll talk to Col Finelli, and maybe Col smith then.
Great!

I think that our biggest problem will be the transportation of the WWs to and from the event. GWNF is 2-3 hours from Walter Reed. RC is a bit farther. That makes for a very long day if we are going to do this as a one day event. If we are going to camp out, then we will need and have to transport a lot of gear.

Moreover, very few rigs can accomodate more than 4 comfortably. So we are going to need several rigs for transport. e.g., transporting just 15 WWs would require 5 rigs each taking 3 passengers.

We may be able to cut the number of vehicles by not using our trail rigs to transport the WWs. (For example, I could use my wife's Sienna for transport; it I can seat 6 comfortably.) But then those drivers wouldn't have a rig for the event.

We really have to think this out.

[Athena]

I know most people hate the word funraise but if we can save up some money, enough of us life relatively close to Walter Reed. Possble we can find or rent a van/bus for the weekend. Then we could pick them up and drop them off. Then we just have to make sure we have enough spots available in trucks. Then we need to know what kind of sleeping arangments they need. I am sure that these people know how to rough it a bit and would enjoy getting away from a sterial enviornment. I mean I live about hour and half away from Walter Reed but I am sure I could talk to RC about droppping my truck off the weekend before so I could be available to help transport people. Just a Suggestion.

[RedTrooper]

Renting something may be the way to go. It would defintely solve a lot of problems for the first event and allow us to accomodate more WWs than if we had to transport them in our rigs. It also would make it easier for us to go with a one-day event to start. We can camp out or drive home at our discretion knowing that the WWs will be riding back in comfort.

It may be possible for us to make a presentation to the Project and get them to pick up the tab for transporting the WWs to the 4RJ. So in many ways the 4RJ will be easier than the "kick-off" event.

This is going to be our premiere event of the year. This will give them the chance to experience all levels of wheeling. I'm pretty sure all the hardcore wheelers are willing and ready to pitch in with their efforts and rigs to make this happen.

The vets will not have to pay fees for this event. We will find a sponsor to pay their way. We are going try to rent cabins for the Vets, get a few provided meals. Any other meals they need will cooked by the Midatlantic Kitchen crew.

I am just worried about getting this thing started. Prior to the meeting, I was thinking that this would be easy. For example, it would be easy to get 10-12 rigs, have each rig take 1-2 WWs, wheel for a while, let the WWs try driving some of the volunteered rigs (e.g. the RedTrooper), have a cookout and go home. Now I realize that there is more involved.

Dealing with the transport of the WWs changes a lot. If we use our own vehicles to transport the WWs, what happens if one of the transport rigs doesn't show? With the other vehicles likely to be full, we might have to leave someone behind. This is very different from a rig not showing at the trail head where there are others who can take up the slack. If we are going to rent something, how big, how much are we willing to spend, will we pay for a driver, etc.? Like I said, maybe we need a planning meeting after the holidays.

[HOODLUM]

I like RedTroopers idea of holding a meeting on this after the holidays. Things are hectic enough right now and we have to have our shit together if we're gonna make this happen and it work out in the end. I can talk to our Resource dept and Rental dept. and see if they are willing to help out.We have a lot of Sienna vans that we rent and they are the 8 seater ones. I would have to have some kind of written proposal to present to Donna Conicelli and Lee Z. the department heads in order to get a better response. The more organized this is the easier it will be to gain assistance with it.

[jjrgr21]

you can't enter WR without being military or have a security clearance, if anyone else has one and your closer than me, thats great.

[RedTrooper]

The more organized this is the easier it will be to gain assistance with it.
This is why it is so necessary to have a kick-off event prior to the 4RJ. We have to demonstrate to the Project that we have our act together before they will kick-in the transport. A well organized first run with the WWs that results in lots of good photos will go a long way towards convincing the Project management.

My thought is to put together a presentation using photos from the first event and show it to both the Project management and the WWs themselves at Walter Reed. I was also thinking about giving out some awards during the presentation to the attendees at the first event. Maybe a maglight or one-in-all tool for the best mud run, rock crawl, etc. Maybe some booby prizes such as a bottle of mud or a jar of pebbles for the worst attempts.

After that, we should have no trouble getting a busload of WWs for the 4RJ. Also, we add some photos from the awards ceremony to the presentation and use it to attract sponsors. My God, the Toyota Trail Team gives away so much free stuff, I'll bet that they put together a care package for each WW that attends.

[Athena]

I agree on meeting somewhere central and reasonable quiet if we chose a resturant. Maybe getting a poll started to pick a date for the meeting. Ask people to make suggestion of where they would like it to be held. Then set up another poll to allow people to vote on where they would like to have it. If someone would like to start a poll with each weekend in Jan hopefully we can get a meeting set up sooner than later. Just a suggestion:)

[RedTrooper]

I agree on meeting somewhere central and reasonable quiet if we chose a resturant. Maybe getting a poll started to pick a date for the meeting. Ask people to make suggestion of where they would like it to be held. Then set up another poll to allow people to vote on where they would like to have it. If someone would like to start a poll with each weekend in Jan hopefully we can get a meeting set up sooner than later. Just a suggestion:)
Sounds to me like you just volunteered to organize the meeting! :D

My suggestion is the Cap City Brewery in Shirlington, VA (http://www.capcitybrew.com/locations.html). It is right off of I395.

[RedTrooper]

Athena had a good suggestion that we hold the meeting in the Rockville Hooters. Somehow that seems appropriate.

http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showpost.php?p=31887&postcount=26

[Athena]

Lets set a date! Boobs, Beer and Wings. I will bring paper and pen. I have boobs so I can keep my eyes down long enough to write meeting notes....lol.;)

[Mike]

you can't enter WR without being military or have a security clearance, if anyone else has one and your closer than me, thats great.

I'm cleared and am currently a *sigh* Air Force *sigh* Contractor with a Valid CAC, etc.

You can probably call ahead with a list of info, and have Visitor passes waiting. You would have to provide Full name, DOB, SSN, and POB.

One of the guys I work with just did a big BBQ over at Walter Reed for the WW

[RedTrooper]

Let's try for early Jan. Jan 19/20th is the Frosty Balls run at RC, so lets eliminate that weekend.

Should we hold it on a weekend or weekday? Rockville is close enough to me that I could do it on a weekday, although the traffic can be murder. Any suggestions?

[jjrgr21]

hard times is always a good meeting place.

[Athena]

Friday or the weekend is best for Katz and me since my mom can watch the baby while we are there. How about the weekend before so that you guys can talk to whomever couldn't make it to the meeting can catch the guys at frost balls. Then we could meet again at the end of Feb to see what progress we have made.

[RedTrooper]

How about Fri 1/11 around 7 PM? Hard Times or Hard Boobs are both fine with me. I leave it to others to decide between the two.

[jjrgr21]

talked to a POC @ walter reed, and we are gonna need alot more info i.e. when where. for them to commit to anything. anytime in January seems to soon for them. so we may need to shoot for Feb or March.

[HOODLUM]

How about Fri 1/11 around 7 PM? Hard Times or Hard Boobs are both fine with me. I leave it to others to decide between the two.


This can work for me.(both)

[Athena]

Which hard times: Rockville, Germantown or Fredrick. The rockville hard times is very small and popular might be hard to get seats for a large group?

[jjrgr21]

i vote for frederick

because i live there

[RedTrooper]

talked to a POC @ walter reed, and we are gonna need alot more info i.e. when where. for them to commit to anything. anytime in January seems to soon for them. so we may need to shoot for Feb or March.
I know, but we gain a lot of credibility by using my DoL contacts. I will probably be best to tentatively plan the event at our first meeting. Post it to see if we get enough rigs. Then invite some WW reps to a second meeting before we finalize anything.

Fredrick is easier for me.

[HOODLUM]

I'm coming from Philly so whichever is closest to a main hwy.

[jjrgr21]

thats a long way to come for a meeting that will take an hour. frederick is like 3 hours from philly.

[HOODLUM]

thats a long way to come for a meeting that will take an hour. frederick is like 3 hours from philly.


LOL You don't know me:D I'll drive to Boston Ma or Bristol TN. just to have dinner with my friends or drive straight through to FLA spend the night then head back home.Hell I'm one of the gas companies best customers. I love to drive it doesn't bother me.I have a lot of fun when I'm on road trips.It beats laying around the house doing nothing.

I can make the meeting and then head to Bristol for the wknd.:cool:

[RedTrooper]

LOL You don't know me:D I'll drive to Boston Ma or Bristol TN. just to have dinner with my friends or drive straight through to FLA spend the night then head back home.Hell I'm one of the gas companies best customers. I love to drive it doesn't bother me.I have a lot of fun when I'm on road trips.It beats laying around the house doing nothing.

I can make the meeting and then head to Bristol for the wknd.:cool:

I just drove up to the Island (that's LI for those of you who don't speak NY) to have lunch with my dad. Cost me more for gas (it is 500 mile round trip) than the meal. So I totally understand. Besides, these things have a way of taking longer than planned.

[Athena]

Well Fredrick hard times is near 70 and 15 not to to bad. More direct than germantown. So if that is cool with everyone that would be a 7pm meeting on which date. We are close to having a meeting set up yippy! Once we get a date we can get a head count!:eek:

[RedTrooper]

Well Fredrick hard times is near 70 and 15 not to to bad. More direct than germantown. So if that is cool with everyone that would be a 7pm meeting on which date. We are close to having a meeting set up yippy! Once we get a date we can get a head count!:eek:
Well, how about Fri 1/11 at 7 PM at the Fredrick Hard Times?

[jjrgr21]

i'll be in cleveland

[RedTrooper]

i'll be in cleveland
So . . . what date do you suggest?

[locknload]

i'll be in cleveland

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, they pick Frederick and you're going to be in Cleveland. :flipoff:

[BlueX]

I may have to work of that Friday....if we can move it to a Saturday...that would be better
plus i live in Manassas but i am cool w/ the drive..its nothing

[RedTrooper]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, they pick Frederick and you're going to be in Cleveland. :flipoff:
It just shows that you can never win no matter how hard you try. :D

[jjrgr21]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, they pick Frederick and you're going to be in Cleveland. :flipoff:


i know right

well i'll be back around the 29th, so whenever after that.

[Athena]

Katz and I will do what ever works best for those of you that want to be part of the meeting you tell us and we will be there.

[RedTrooper]

Katz and I will do what ever works best for those of you that want to be part of the meeting you tell us and we will be there.

Ditto.

[Athena]

So what about Feb 1 friday or the 2 sat? I want to make sure we can make it so as many people as possible can be there. What about you Ace? This is your show we need you there so see what you have done and where we can help and what you need. You are always welcome to stay with us after the meeting so you don't have to drive directly home.

[RedTrooper]

Just received this reply from the Wounded Warrior Project.

First off thank you for thinking about our returning injured service members and how you and your community of 4 Wheelers can help make a difference. I think some off road 4 wheeling would be an awsome experience for some of our wounded warriors . Your concerns of safety, dignity and respect are the same as ours . We are here to open doors and make a difference in the healing process of todays returning injured heroes. The Harrisburg area would be a great area for us, being that it is only about 2 hrs away from WRAMC and Bethesda we could get participants there from the hospitals. We would get the wounded warriors that were medically fit and wanted to participate.

If need be we could reach out to alumni within a few hour radious. Please send me any info you have on your normal routine at these events and what you might be providing, like food, sleeping arrangements, entertainment, when, where, how long the event will be, etc. The weekends are the best times to get our wounded warriors out of the hospitals, they will not miss any appointments or medical treatments. Friday evenings to Sunday afternoon.

Looking forward to hearing from you and thank you again for wanting to make a difference.


WWP Outdoors Coordinator


I replied that we were scheduling a planning meeting in late Jan or early Feb and would get back to them after the meeting. So when is the meeting?

Just received a follow-up. The project is very excited and may be able to provide transportation!

Goodmorning Mario, I think that we have two vans that we have access to, that are 8-10 passenger. How many wounded warriors were you thinking of participating. I can talk to RJ just to make sure on the vans and he can also give us some kind of participation number that we might expect to get on this type of event out of the hospitals.
If you can get a flyer to gether with the event on it, the date, time and highlights to present at the hospitals to generate intrest would be greatly appreciated. It can be posted. I will let you know what I find out.

WWP Outdoors Coordinator


So it looks like we have to think about working on a flyer at the meeting.

THIS IS STARTING TO COME TOGETHER!

[jjrgr21]

well if you want to get together somewhere soon, to figure out whos gonna do what, thats cool with me.


i just left a message w/ the WWP SGM, so hopefully he'll get back to me soon

[RedTrooper]

well if you want to get together somewhere soon, to figure out whos gonna do what, thats cool with me.

Jason, I believe that we are holding off until you get back from Cleveland. Athena suggested Feb 1 friday or the 2 sat. I am fine with both, what about others?

[Ted]

Feb 1 works.....

[jjrgr21]

i'm back, i was just gone for the x-mas holidays

[Athena]

This is so cool. I am excited to. I think it will be great to share something we enjoy so much with those who make us safe and free. We are cool with whatever just name the place and time should we start a meeting tread with a poll for the date so everyone starts getting on the same page?

[HOODLUM]

Feb. 1 works for me.

[88rnr86up]

feb 1 is lookin good
where we going to meet
seem to be the next ?
have we thought of sleeping araignments for all
or just a full day trip??
have they given any restrictions on activatys
as you can tell i can spel lol
my oldest son would like to go and help out
we are to provide food/drink for all ?
sorry so many ?
i guess thats why we need a meeting

[jjrgr21]

if you all want to get this done right, and the event before 4rj, then we need to meet. this will not get approved by WWP, or WRAMC being this disorganized. they will not approve 4RJ for a first event. there is alot more to this than just figuring out when and where. insurance, pass approval, medical release, food, lodging, transpo.

once everything on our side is done, military approval is going to take 6-10 weeks.

everyone is saying ok, and "i'm in" but no one is acting.

1st meeting 11 Jan 08@Frederick Hard Times off of Rt. 40 (golden mile)

this way we get a meeting, and i'm sure those who come will want to help out over at erics with his very short list of things to do.

[RedTrooper]

I just made plans and will be out of the area next weekend. Feb 1 works for me and we can meet at the Frederick Hard Times at 8 PM on Feb 1. A group is getting together to run Crozet on Jan 19th. Another option perhaps is to hold the meeting in conjunction with that.

The main thing is that we have pick a few dates for a GWNF run with the WW and work out a tentative schedule of events. Once we have a list of possible dates, we can post a poll and see if we can get a enough rigs on one of them. We can also start work on a flyer and things like getting volunteers to bring food and drink. But, I agree, we have very little time.

WWP wants at least 6 weeks notice to arrange the vans. So we have to have everything finalized by mid-Feb for an early April run. Holding the run in early April is only 8-10 weeks before the 4RJ, which really isn't a lot of time to get those arrangements worked out, produce a second flyer and and provide the WWP with 6 weeks notice.

[jjrgr21]

they need a minimum of 6 for transpo, and up to 12 for insurance release. the SGM i spoke with wants 8 weeks of notice, to start passes. i don't want him to think were all chewed up, but at this point we are.

so are we shooting for an early-mid april run @ GWNF? a trail run similar to fall colors, and maybe stepping it up to the tougher stuff? who will be there?

for those who are in the immediate area who would be willing to meet some time or set aside time for a "phone meeting" let me know. i just want some answers for this guy, before he says fuckit and no.

[RedTrooper]

Jason,

I have very similar issues with my contacts. I would really like to have gotten the planning further along but the holidays slowed things down.

My thought, as I said before, is to keep it simple for the first WW run. The easiest way to do this is to model it on Fall Colors. Something like this:


Meet at 9-9:30. Most can meet at the meadow but we will have to have some at the Shell Station to guide the vans.
Divers' meeting at 9:30-10:00. Distribute the WWs among the rigs. Maybe we can supply coffee and donuts.
Head up to Flagpole Knob; hitting some of the small obstacles along the way.
Lunch at the meadow on the Knob (Noon?). We supply the lunch and beverages. Lunch will be simple; perhaps some lunch meat and cheese, bread, condiments and chips. Beverages will be water and soda.
After lunch, we ride down the back side and hit Dry River.
We finish early and return to the meadow for a cookout. Again, we keep it simple. Dogs and burgers with some salads. Beverages will be beer, soda and water.
The vans leave to return the WWs around 8PM.
We either return home or spend the night.


This would make for a nice day trip. Hopefully the weather in early April will be nice. We could try March, but that can be iffy.

What we need is to set the date, agree on the plan, get a list of attendees and determine who is bringing what.

If everyone brings something, we should have no trouble with the supplies. I live near a Costco and would be willing to bring a couple of boxes of burgers and a couple of bags of hotdogs.

We also have to make sure that we have enough grills and wood.

Once the plans get "finalized" we work up a flyer. A word document might work so that we can email it to our contacts.

One thing that I think that we need on the flyer is some sort of waiver and release of liability similar to that used by many parks (e.g., RC (http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/dep/docs/member_app_new.pdf) and Paragon (http://www.paragonap.com/adobedocs/Waiver%20V04-ZG.pdf)) to protect the drivers, vehicle owners and the Crawlers in the event someone gets hurt.

[RedTrooper]

Come on folks. We need to set a date for this. Is the meeting on for Feb 1?

Also, we should think about the dates for the GWNF run. I suggested early April. Any thoughts?

[KatzTRD]

Feb 1st Frederick Hardtimes works for me.

[Ted]

Feb 1, 2008 is the date. We meed a time, an address. Since I don't want to re-read the whole tread, we need to make a check list of tasks that need to be completed to make this run happen.

[RedTrooper]

Feb 1, 2008 is the date. We meed a time, an address. Since I don't want to re-read the whole tread, we need to make a check list of tasks that need to be completed to make this run happen.
Frederick Hard Times at 8 PM on Feb 1.


The main thing is that we have pick a few dates for a GWNF run with the WW., perhaps either Sat. 4/5 or 4/12.
Next we need a tentative schedule of events. I posted a draft above (http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showpost.php?p=32655&postcount=92).
Then we need people to agree to show up, bring their rigs, and contribute some food and drink. It will be best if we develop a list of what we need and check things off as people agree to bring them.
Finally, we have to develop a flyer so that we can send it to the WW coordinators and they can notify the service members and arrange for their transportation to and from GWNF. I suggested that the flyer include some sort of liability waiver to hold the Crawlers, the drivers and the vehicle owners harmless in case something happens. We can use the ones developed for RC (http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/dep/docs/member_app_new.pdf) and Paragon (http://www.paragonap.com/adobedocs/Waiver%20V04-ZG.pdf) as a starting point.

[88rnr86up]

sound good I'll be there

** address**

Frederick
1003 W Patrick St
Frederick MD 21702

http://www.hardtimes.com/locations/Frederick.asp

website has a map option for directions

[RedTrooper]

If it would help, I can put together some sample flyers that we can use as a starting point for the discussions.

[shortyv6]

i cant make the meeting but do have 3 seats for the run.
either stock runner or built 80 series.

[RedTrooper]

i . . . have 3 seats for the run.
either stock runner or built 80 series.
That is what we need to hear. Probably stocker is best for GWNF, bring the modded rigs to the EC4RJ.

[88rnr86up]

anything we need to bring to the meeting?

[Ted]

lets set up the run for April 12/13. It would be nice to have some spring weather.

[RedTrooper]

lets set up the run for April 12/13. It would be nice to have some spring weather.

Sounds good. Can we agree on Sat April 12th as the tentative date for the run?

Also, what does everyone think of the tentative schedule (http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showpost.php?p=32655&postcount=92)? If we can agree on the date and schedule, I'll try to put together a flyer using some photos from the last two Fall Colors runs and the waivers from Paragon and RC.

Ted, is it possible to set up some sort of sign up sheet on the site where people can specify the following:
Number of open seats
Willing to let service member drive their rig (Y/N)
Contribution (e.g., food, beverages, paper goods)
Other items (e.g., grills, chairs, tables, easy-up)


For example, I plan to have 3 open seats, am willing to let service members drive the Trooper, will contribute a box of burgers and a bag of hotdogs, and will bring a small grill, 4 chairs and an easy-up.

If we can get a draft of the flyer and the sign-up started, that would be most of what we need for the meeting. The main thing at the meeting would be to review the flyer, make the necessary edits and approve it so that we can get it to the WW project and they can arrange the transport. Also, we have to make sure that we aren't missing something and that we have everything covered. For example, we don't want everyone bringing beer and not having enough food. Also, we have to make sure that we have enough grills, chairs, etc.

[shortyv6]

april 12/ 13 is the same weekend as the united4wd run at oakridge estate.
if we can get the prior or later weekend i can get a built 80, an fj 62, a ****/toy combo, runner and my taco. the whole IPOR shop wants to attend to help the vets out. if not then it will be the runner and my taco, willing to let anyone drive the taco, not sure if the wife will let anybody drive the runner.

[RedTrooper]

I have put together a rough draft of the flyer (http://home.comcast.net/~mariod/WW.doc) as a Word document. I have no pride of authorship here. I did this just to help make the meeting go smoother (and leave more time for beer). Everything is on the table.

[KatzTRD]

Looks good!

[jjrgr21]

the application was just emailed to me, so someone needs to fill it out, and attach a summary. the SGM said as of now the commitie would not approve this. so we need a "light duty" flyer all of the mud and stuff needs to be removed and pretty trails put in.


how do i do a fucking clicky for the form.

[shortyv6]

i like it

[jjrgr21]

how do i put a fucking link so everyone can see this form?????????

[RedTrooper]

the application was just emailed to me, so someone needs to fill it out, and attach a summary. the SGM said as of now the commitie would not approve this. so we need a "light duty" flyer all of the mud and stuff needs to be removed and pretty trails put in.

I think that we might just be able to discuss the light duty with the WW cordinators. The nice thing about GWNF, especially the run up the Flagpole knob is that the obstacles are optional. Anyone that can't be bounced around can just ride in a stock vehicle that will keep to the fire road. However, I was told that this really shouldn't be an issue since the service members will need clearence. Also, I specifically avoided mention of rocks.


how do i do a fucking clicky for the form.

You have to post it on a site and then link to it. If you don't have access to a site, just email the form to me, I'll post it for you.

[jjrgr21]

i don't know who you talked to, but their wrong. i jsut spoke with the 2nd highest chain of command, and he told me how it all goes down. this is not going to get approved.

email add for the form?

[RedTrooper]

i don't know who you talked to, but their wrong. i jsut spoke with the 2nd highest chain of command, and he told me how it all goes down. this is not going to get approved.


I am dealing with the WW Project. I have been told that all of the injured service members that will be allowed to attend from the hospitals will have to medically fit to go, so the photos should not pose a problem. If we can not get clearence for enough attendees from the hospitals to attend the event in GWNF, the project believes that they will have many interested from their alumni in the area. Even in the unlikely event that only alumni attend, we still gain the experience that we need before the EC4RJ. That is one of the reasons that we are holding the GWNF event, isn't it?

email add for the form?

mariod@comcast.net it is available by clicking on my screen name.

[RedTrooper]

Here is a link to the application to host an event (http://home.comcast.net/~mariod/Application.doc)for service members at Walter Reed. It doesn't seem like this will be difficult to fill out. Once our arrangements are firmed up, the only missing element is the contact info for the Crawlers.

[88rnr86up]

anybody carpooling from fredericksburgs area up there
I'll chip in gas money

[Ted]

The Date is set for what I posted earlier in this thread. That is it, don't ask to change it. We will only change the date if the .mil wants a different date.

I just looked at the forum. It's pretty short and easy.

One thought, I think we should try to limit the told number of troops on this first run. I'd like to make sure it all goes well. I figure about 15 troops max (plus or minus), so we can make sure we have an adequate number of vehicle's. This means we need 15 front seats, and some backups. We don't want to stick anyone in a back seat. The backseat sucks. There is limited view, and leg room.

We need to have at least 20 trucks on this event. The closer we get to the event, the more people are going bail on the event. Any more then 20 rigs in the GWNF is a CF.

We would break up into two groups, and plan a nice trip profile for each group. I figure drive some trails, stop for lunch. We need to figure out how to to provide lunch for 15, plus the group. Drive some more, and head to Fox Pizza in Brandy Wine for dinner. Give them the middle of no where WV atmosphere. Then head home.

If you want to go on this run, you need to have a rig that is in good operating condition. If you drive a POS that is prone to breaking down leave it home. If you break down on the trail, we are going leave your POS on the trail. We are not going to ruin someones day due to your POS.

There will be NO drinking on this event. None, nada, zero zip. There will be no open carry of weapons. If you cannot deal with these rules, stay home. I don't want you on this run.

[jjrgr21]

laying down the law

[KatzTRD]

We would break up into two groups, and plan a nice trip profile for each group. I figure drive some trails, stop for lunch. We need to figure out how to to provide lunch for 15, plus the group. Drive some more, and head to Fox Pizza in Brandy Wine for dinner. Give them the middle of no where WV atmosphere. Then head home.

Maybe we should all pitch in 5 bucks or something and give the $ to someone who has a costco/sam membership. Mario said he does and we do too.

If you want to go on this run, you need to have a rig that is in good operating condition. If you drive a POS that is prone to breaking down leave it home. If you break down on the trail, we are going leave your POS on the trail. We are not going to ruin someones day due to your POS.

So does this mean your not comming? :D

There will be NO drinking on this event. None, nada, zero zip. There will be no open carry of weapons. If you cannot deal with these rules, stay home. I don't want you on this run.

Agree!

[RedTrooper]

Ted,

The draft flyer has the limit at 20, basically the top of your range.

20 rigs would be great, but we probably can get away with fewer so long as we have some with back seats. It is true that back seats aren't great, but this may be needed if many bail on us. Also, we can rotate positions. I plan to let the service members drive the Trooper, so I do not think that they will mind some time in the back.

Everthing else makes sense. But why go out for pizza instead of having a cookout?

Mario

[locknload]

I think a max troop count of 10 would be more realistic for the first run due to the natural 'bail out factor' that ALWAYS occurs just before events. Not that people are flaky, but life happens and plans get changed. For the first run we really don't want to get caught with too few trucks. We will look like asses and will not have another shot at this. If more trucks show up than troops great, they can ride in different trucks and go back saying what a great time they had. You really need to get a good truck count before you tell them what you can deliver. Do you have a solid truck count yet that you can count on 110%?
That said, I can't make that date, my wife has clinicals that Saturday, just a heads up in advance. See what I mean.

[shortyv6]

count me and the wife in . 3 seats in her runner and 1 in my taco


ted
what date did you say? last i read the run was in april( i think)

[Ted]

So does this mean your not comming? :D




The Taco is going to be ready. :flipoff:

[Ted]

Also, I would like a group of hardcore trucks to put on a show at Dictums ridge. Kind of like last time.

[RedTrooper]

Also, I would like a group of hardcore trucks to put on a show at Dictums ridge. Kind of like last time.
Some service members might be more interested in trying their hand at wheeling rather than just watching a show. So maybe the way to split the groups should be based on the service members' desire to drive or to see a good show.

I see two problems with Dictum Ridge.

If we split along those lines, we have to make sure that we have enough seats for the Dictum Ridge show. I am not sure how many seats will make it up Dictum Ridge and the 2nd Mt. gate is likely to be locked in April.
Running Dictum Ridge significantly increases the chances that someone will breakdown.

Maybe we should just make the GWNF run an easy trail ride and save the hardcore stuff for the EC4RJ where we expect to have a lot more rigs?

[locknload]

Have you checked into the liability side of letting them drive someones truck? What if there's an accident and they get hurt? Sure it's GWNF but things can happen anywhere. When it comes down to it waivers are just a piece of paper and there are ways around them. It may sound fun, letting them drive your vehicle but there could be alot more to think about that hasn't been covered.

[RedTrooper]

Have you checked into the liability side of letting them drive someones truck? What if there's an accident and they get hurt? Sure it's GWNF but things can happen anywhere. When it comes down to it waivers are just a piece of paper and there are ways around them. It may sound fun, letting them drive your vehicle but there could be alot more to think about that hasn't been covered.
There is some liability even if they ride as passengers. That is why the flyer includes a liability waiver and states that all participants must sign it. I modeled the waiver on the one used by Paragon.

[RedTrooper]

Just a reminder. Feb 1 is this Friday.

[jjrgr21]

Time?

[RedTrooper]

Time?

Frederick Hard Times at 8 PM on Feb 1.

Frederick Hard Times (http://www.hardtimes.com/locations/Frederick.asp)
1003 W Patrick St
Frederick MD 21702

[Ted]

How is the weather looking? It's all iced up in Winchester.

[RedTrooper]

DC and points East just had rain. My boss just drove from the Eastern shore to Pittsburgh and told me that it wasn't too bad until he got to the mountains in W. PA.

[KatzTRD]

Its just rain here in Frederick.

[88rnr86up]

so did any details get worked out?

[Ted]

so did any details get worked out?

Yes, we will be posting the details sometime this week.

[Ted]

http://www.shutupandwheel.com/showthread.php?t=572

[RedTrooper]

Ted,

This is a great find.

[RedTrooper]

Here is the latest info from the Wounded Warrior Project:

We are looking for alumni from the area. There could be a possibility of getting some from the hospitals if they were approved. I don't know yet if that will happen. We usually start 6 weeks away from an event looking for participants.


So it sounds like the Project will start looking for participants towards the end of the month and that they would prefer to invite many local alumni (wounded warriors who are no longer in the military) to avoid some of the logistics related to hospitalized service members (approvals, transport, etc.).

[smcurry83]

I wanted to introduce myself to you guys. I'm Army SGT Steven Curry. I had my left leg amputated below the knee due to a injury I sustained in Iraq in November '06. I spent 13 months at Walter Reed and I'm actually being medically retired in the end of March.

I had my leg amputated in December of '06. I was really into wheeling before I joined the Army and have ridden motorcycles for the last two years before I lost my leg. Thanks to the Wounded Warrior Project, I've been able to attend a lot of events that helped me realize that my injury isn't going to slow me down. I was up and snow boarding in Feburary '07, only two months after I lost my leg, thanks to the WWP. (and I never snowboarded before I got injured) I started riding motorcycles again in March '07 and I also went out and bought a '00 **** TJ.

I was hell bent on being able to drive a 5 spd again, so I made sure I bought a **** with one. I've been wheeling that thing like crazy for the past year. I get a kick out of the looks I get on the trail when I hop out of a lifted **** with 35x12.50's with a prosthetic leg!

I just got an email from WWP inviting me to attend the event you guys are putting together. You better believe I'm down for some wheeling with you guys. Me and another amputee buddy of mine took a trip to GWNF a few months ago and loved it.

If you guys don't mind, I'd love to come out and bring my ****. I would even be willing to volunteer to help you guys rather than take up a slot for one of the other Wounded Warriors so more guys can attend that don't get to do stuff like this very often.

Let me know what you guys think. I can't wait to get together for this.


SGT Steven Curry
704-245-4021

[Ted]

Hey Steve, you and your **** are welcome to join us at any event that we run at MATC.

[Ted]

Steve, also check out the EC4J thread.

[jjrgr21]

can't wait, this' still planned for april @GWNF right?

[RedTrooper]

I wanted to introduce myself to you guys. I'm Army SGT Steven Curry. . . .

I was hell bent on being able to drive a 5 spd again, so I made sure I bought a **** with one.. . .

If you guys don't mind, I'd love to come out and bring my ****.

Steven, welcome to the Crawlers. You and your **** can wheel with us any time.

The WWP told us that the invites would go out about 6 weeks before the April 12th event. It is good to hear that they went out on time.

We can't wait. Hopefully this will be the first of many events.

[Mike]

Steve,

Welcome.

What type of RC crawler do you have?

I also have a built TLT-1 I fool around with when it's not collecting dust

[smcurry83]

Ted, RedTrooper,

Thanks guys. Let me know what kind of plans you guys have as far as setting up and getting ready for the event. Like I said, I'd love to help you guys out with this rather than just attend as a guest only.

I was also curious what kind of trails you were planning on running. My ****s no rock-crushing beast, but it's pretty capable. (4" skyjacker, 1" bl, 35x12.50 at's, warn dual force winch) Hopefully I can get my bike sold in the next few weeks and get some stronger axles swapped in with arb's and 4.88's. (Hopefully)

And thanks for the support. It's hard to understand how much it means to guys like me when people like yourselves go out of your way to help out some Vets! People like you are my hero's...

[smcurry83]

Steve,

Welcome.

What type of RC crawler do you have?

I also have a built TLT-1 I fool around with when it's not collecting dust


I'm working on a wheely king right now. Check out my threads:

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101979

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105963

[locknload]

Steve, thank you so very much for your service and
welcome to our board. Ditto to Ted's statement. You're welcome to join us anytime in your ****. Introduce yourself in the Newbie section for a warm welcome and post up some pics of your ****.

[RedTrooper]

I was also curious what kind of trails you were planning on running. My ****s no rock-crushing beast, but it's pretty capable. (4" skyjacker, 1" bl, 35x12.50 at's, warn dual force winch) Hopefully I can get my bike sold in the next few weeks and get some stronger axles swapped in with arb's and 4.88's. (Hopefully)

Well, you should have no trouble at GWNF! We are basically planning to run fire roads with some "green" level obstacles. There really is only one higher level spot at GWNF, Dictum Ridge. We are planning to drive over there and see the "show" as the modded rigs climb up. Here is a link to my trail reports on Fall Colors 2006 (http://home.comcast.net/~mariod/LeavesTurn2006/2006_gwnf_fall_colors_ride.htm) and Fall Colors 2007 (http://home.comcast.net/~mariod/GWNF_FC_2007/2007_gwnf_fall_colors_ride.htm) that were run at GWNF. They should give you a good feel for what we have in mind.

[KatzTRD]

Steve Welcome to MATC! I hope you find it enjoyable here and find lots of good tech. It will be great watching you wheel with us at GWNF and EC4RJ in your ****.
Thanks for your service to help keep our freedom, its really apreatiated!

[smcurry83]

Yeah, from what I saw of GWNF when I was there, it's not too bad. I'm sure you guys know some nice spots there other than the main "loop".

Can't wait.

[RedTrooper]

Latest news from the Wounded Warrior Project:

So far it looks like an email was sent out to all the injured service members in a 4-5 hour radious. DC , MD , VA , NJ and DEL looking for participants. I don't know if they have approached the hospitals yet. We are a long way off from the event for many to commit ... I have checked out the sign up sheet for your event. We have 5 participants signed up so far . Steven Curry is on the list. Looking Good.

Since we were looking for 15 partcipants and already have 4 (I don't count Steve who is really one of us since he is bringing his own rig), I think that we are doing quite well 6 weeks out from the April 12th event. :D

[smcurry83]

Since we were looking for 15 partcipants and already have 4 (I don't count Steve who is really one of us since he is bringing his own rig), I think that we are doing quite well 6 weeks out from the April 12th event. :D

Yeah, if they put this out at the hospitals, I'm sure there will be a flood of interest. There are a lot of guys at Walter Reed that I know of that would be interested. Some of them went to the Big Dogs Off-Road event a few months back. So I'm sure there won't be a problem filling 15 slots.

[smcurry83]

Also, I know most clubs have requirements on certain equipment a rig must have to join on a trail ride. (ie tow points front and rear, full size spare, jack, etc.) So what, if any do you guys require, so I can be ready to roll?

[locknload]

Also, I know most clubs have requirements on certain equipment a rig must have to join on a trail ride. (ie tow points front and rear, full size spare, jack, etc.) So what, if any do you guys require, so I can be ready to roll?

A TOYOTA emblem :flipoff:.

[locknload]

Really you already have it figured out. Full size spare, jack, recovery points, tow strap, etc. Added extras would be a CB and extra parts that you may need to replace from trail carnage (see BeaterToyota's driveshaft thread).
There has never really been 'Required' equipment due to the size of our runs and the fact that we're all friends, usually we have have gear. That said, nobody wants to be 'That Guy' who makes everyone wait on the trail. So it's in all of our best interest to equip wisely :cool:.

[smcurry83]

A TOYOTA emblem :flipoff:.

Don't be surprised now if I show up with a Toyota emblem stuck to my hood!!!

[RedTrooper]

The biggest problem you will have wheeling with MATC (as opposed to a **** club) is that you have to carry your own spares as there will be no one with a similar rig if you break down. So start saving your old parts such as belts, brakelines, etc. and bring them along when you wheel. As for the Toyota emblem, a MATC sticker (http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=3105) is even better.

[smcurry83]

The biggest problem you will have wheeling with MATC (as opposed to a **** club) is that you have to carry your own spares as there will be no one with a similar rig if you break down. So start saving your old parts such as belts, brakelines, etc. and bring them along when you wheel. As for the Toyota emblem, a MATC sticker (http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=3105) is even better.


That's very true. Do you guys have "outsiders" wheel with the group very often?

[RedTrooper]

Usually there is at least one **** somewhere on the trail. I have NEVER seen another Isuzu. I know that they are out there -- there are even two others in the MATC -- but I haven't wheeled with them.

[RedTrooper]

Just received an email that this is WW Weekend at Liberty Mt (http://www.skiliberty.com/lmr/calendar.aspx?mode=detail&eventId=wounded_warrior).

[smcurry83]

Just received an email that this is WW Weekend at Liberty Mt (http://www.skiliberty.com/lmr/calendar.aspx?mode=detail&eventId=wounded_warrior).

That's funny, as soon as my wife gets off work, we're driving up to Liberty Mt. for the WW Weekend. We just went to Wintergreen, VA for the same thing last month. They do a lot of great events for Soldiers and their families. Wow, Crazy!!!! If you look at that link, I'm the one-legged guy on crutches in the red shirt. That picture was from last year which was the first time I ever snowboarded.

[BeaterToyota]

I haven't followed this whole thread from start to finish, but I think that this date is coming up pretty soon, right? Y'all should probably get something into the "get togethers" section soon so it has more exposure and people know about it.

[jjrgr21]

anyone have an attendence list going yet?

[RedTrooper]

I haven't followed this whole thread from start to finish, but I think that this date is coming up pretty soon, right? Y'all should probably get something into the "get togethers" section soon so it has more exposure and people know about it.

anyone have an attendence list going yet?
Ok! The Wounded Warrior Run (http://www.midatlantictoyotacrawlers.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=3478) thread has been started in the Get Together section.